Following last week’s announcement by The Bahamian government prohibiting cruise ships from docking in the country, including at private ports of call such as Castaway Cay with unvaccinated guest 12 and over; Disney Cruise Line will now require all guests 12 and over to provide proof of vaccination in order to sail.
Beginning September 3 until November 1, 2021, The Bahamas will require that all cruise ship passengers ages 12 and older be fully vaccinated in order for a ship to be allowed entry into any of its cruise ports, including private islands like Disney Castaway Cay.
To comply with this new requirement, all Guests ages 12 and older on upcoming sailings must be fully vaccinated to board the ship. Approved vaccines include those produced by Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson. Please note, in accordance with CDC guidelines:
- Guests who have received both doses of Moderna, Pfizer or AstraZeneca are considered fully vaccinated 14 days after the second dose has been administered.
- Guests who have received Johnson & Johnson are considered fully vaccinated 14 days after receiving one dose.
- Guests with both one dose of Moderna and one dose of Pfizer are considered fully vaccinated 14 days after the second dose.
- Guests who have received one single dose of a vector vaccine (e.g. AstraZeneca) and one single dose of a mRNA vaccine (e.g. Pfizer, Moderna) are not considered fully vaccinated.
Guests who choose not to provide proof of vaccination to meet the requirements of The Bahamas will not be permitted to board the ship.
Guests under the age of 12 must still provide proof of a negative lab-based COVID-19 PCR test taken between 5 days and 24 hours prior to the sail date by uploading their test results to the Safe Passage by Inspire website. They will also be required to undergo a second COVID-19 PCR test administered by Inspire Diagnostics at the terminal prior to boarding.
Guests on a sailing to The Bahamas (including Disney Castaway Cay) departing from September 3, 2021, to prior to November 1, 2021, may modify their sail date or cancel their sailing without any Disney-imposed cancellation fees by contacting your travel agent by September 3, 2021. Please note that cancellation fees imposed by third-party suppliers, including airlines, as well as travel insurance, are not refundable. Refunds will be processed back to the original form of payment. Standard cancellation policies and terms and conditions apply for any cancellation or modification requests received on or after September 4, 2021.
As a result, sailings between September 3rd and November 1st are impacted for both the Disney Dream and the Disney Fantasy. The Disney Fantasy just announced a September 11th restart with shorter Bahamian sailings to Castaway Cay earlier this week with new bookings for the new Fantasy sailings opening later this week.
Below is a list of the Disney Magic, Disney Dream and Disney Fantasy sailings in September and October which all include scheduled calls in The Bahamas.
Disney Dream Sailing with Bahamian Port Calls
- Friday September 3, 2021 🎃 3-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral (2-stops at Castaway Cay)
- Monday September 6, 2021 🎃 4-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral (2-stops at Castaway Cay)
- Friday September 10, 2021 🎃 3-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Monday September 13, 2021 🎃 4-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Friday September 17, 2021 🎃 3-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Monday September 20, 2021 🎃 4-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Friday September 24, 2021 🎃 3-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Monday September 27, 2021 🎃 4-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Friday October 1, 2021 🎃 3-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Monday October 4, 2021 🎃 4-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Friday October 8, 2021 🎃 3-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Monday October 11, 2021 🎃 4-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Friday October 15, 2021 🎃 3-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Monday October 18, 2021 🎃 4-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Friday October 22, 2021 🎃 3-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Monday October 25, 2021 🎃 4-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Friday October 29, 2021 🎃 3-Night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral
Disney Fantasy Sailing with Bahamian Port Calls
- Saturday September 11, 2021 4-night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral (2-stops at Castaway Cay)
- Saturday September 18, 2021 4-night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral (2-stops at Castaway Cay)
- Saturday September 25, 2021 4-night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral (2-stops at Castaway Cay)
- Saturday October 2, 2021 4-night Bahamian Cruise from Port Canaveral (2-stops at Castaway Cay)
- Saturday October 9, 2021 🎃 7-Night Western Caribbean Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Saturday October 16, 2021 🎃 8-Night Eastern Caribbean Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Sunday October 24, 2021 🎃 6-Night Western Caribbean Cruise from Port Canaveral
- Saturday October 30, 2021 🎃 7-Night Eastern Caribbean Cruise from Port Canaveral
Disney Magic Sailing with Bahamian Port Calls
- Thursday October 21, 2021 🎃 3-Night Bahamian Cruise from Miami
- Sunday October 24, 2021 🎃 4-Night Bahamian Cruise from Miami
- Thursday October 28, 2021 🎃 3-Night Bahamian Cruise from Miami
- Sunday October 31, 2021 🎃 4-Night Bahamian Cruise from Miami
The following email is being sent to guests booked on the impacted sailings.
Dear Guest,
All of us at Disney Cruise Line hope you and your family are staying well. We are reaching out with important information regarding your upcoming sailing.
Beginning September 3 until November 1, 2021, The Bahamas will require that all cruise ship passengers ages 12 and older be fully vaccinated in order for a ship to be allowed entry into any of its cruise ports, including private islands like Disney Castaway Cay.
To comply with this new requirement, all Guests ages 12 and older on your upcoming sailing must be fully vaccinated to board the ship. Approved vaccines include those produced by Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson. Please note, in accordance with CDC guidelines:
• Guests who have received both doses of Moderna, Pfizer or AstraZeneca are considered fully vaccinated 14 days after the second dose has been administered.
• Guests who have received Johnson & Johnson are considered fully vaccinated 14 days after receiving one dose.
• Guests with both one dose of Moderna and one dose of Pfizer are considered fully vaccinated 14 days after the second dose.
• Guests who have received one single dose of a vector vaccine (e.g. AstraZeneca) and one single dose of a mRNA vaccine (e.g. Pfizer, Moderna) are not considered fully vaccinated.
• Guests must provide proof of vaccination by uploading their vaccination card to the Safe Passage by Inspire website no later than 24 hours before their sailing. Guests who choose not to provide proof of vaccination to meet the requirements of The Bahamas will not be permitted to board the ship.Guests under the age of 12 must still provide proof of a negative lab-based COVID-19 PCR test taken between 5 days and 24 hours prior to the sail date by uploading their test results to the Safe Passage by Inspire website. They will also be required to undergo a second COVID-19 PCR test administered by Inspire Diagnostics at the terminal prior to boarding.
Guests on a sailing to The Bahamas (including Disney Castaway Cay) departing from September 3, 2021, to prior to November 1, 2021, may modify their sail date or cancel their sailing without any Disney-imposed cancellation fees by contacting your travel agent by September 3, 2021. Please note that cancellation fees imposed by third-party suppliers, including airlines, as well as travel insurance, are not refundable. Refunds will be processed back to the original form of payment. Standard cancellation policies and terms and conditions apply for any cancellation or modification requests received on or after September 4, 2021.
We appreciate your understanding of the need to change our policies to comply with the Bahamas’ new requirements. The health and safety of our Guests, Cast Members and Crew Members is a top priority.
We look forward to welcoming you aboard.
Sincerely,
The Cast and Crew
Disney Cruise Line
I booked trip on Fantasy Sep 11. Suppose to be Halloween. I received email to encourage custom so I spent $$$ on that. You are marking that sailing as not Halloween after the cut of days. Can you clarify it?
DCL is not putting the Fantasy sailings on sale to the general public until tomorrow 8/25. As a result, I did not mark the sailings as HotHS because, at the time I was unable to confirm. Once they appear online tomorrow, I will be verifying the itineraries and update our website with HotHS if applicable. Furthermore, we are not affiliated with Disney Cruise Line.
What about kids who’s 12th birthday is less than two weeks before the cruise? Impossible to meet requirement.
This is the boat we’re in too. Daughter turns 12 four days prior to sail date. Sent email and on hold with everyone else. Will let you know what I find out but hoping this falls under one of the exemption clauses.
I’m booked for the Dream on Sep 20. I’m fully vaccinated, so this changes nothing for me.
The outstanding questions I see are these:
1) If enough people change their dates, would Disney cancel a sailing? I don’t know what percentage of passengers so far are vaccinated or not, but it could be significant. What is the cutoff on the low end for passenger counts before a sailing gets cancelled.
2) How much of a stink is the State of Florida going to make over this. I assume Disney will go court-shopping to find a judge that will rule on a carve-out similar to Norwegian, but there hasn’t been any word from the state yet.
We all knew this was coming. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was all orchestrated by the cruise lines and the Bahama’s to get around the Florida issue because travel is open directly to the Bahama’s for unvaccinated people. This is taken right off their website and I know many who have gone and are going.
UNVACCINATED TRAVELLERS
All unvaccinated persons, ages 12 and older, will be required to upload their negative COVID-19 PCR test results. Tests must be taken no more than 5 days prior to the date of arrival.
Children between the ages of 2 and 11 will be required to upload their negative Rapid Antigen Test or PCR test results.
Please note: Children ages 2-11 applying for a Bahamas Travel Health Visa up to and including Thursday, August 5, 2021, will not be subject to a COVID-19 test. Applications for a Bahamas Travel Health Visa can be submitted 14 days prior to travel, therefore, all applications submitted and approved prior to Friday, August 6, 2021, will be honoured for the purpose of entering The Bahamas.
*Unvaccinated Bahamian citizens or residents planning to travel abroad for five (5) days or less must secure a test in the destination they visited before travelling back to The Bahamas. Any PCR test taken in The Bahamas prior to travel will not be valid for re-entry.
This is great news!!! Time to book a cruise
I wonder if they remove the requirements to wear mask ?
As the booster vaccine release comes forward more the rules may change again; impacting sail dates next year. Surely there will be a deadline when your initial vaccine is no longer valid and proof of the booster will be required also.
Maybe? it’s because of the large number of visitors coming by cruiseship. If 3 ships are docked at Nassau, with 3000 – 4000 passengers each – that’s alot of people all at once. Plus, the cruiseship took at least a day to get there, as opposed to a MASKED flight of 2 hours, so the chances of a “superspreader” event is less than the cruiseship guests.
Please everyone, just get vaccinated! I know there are medical exemptions. That’s a different story. But those people are at huge risk. Perhaps they shouldn’t travel right now. Yes, that sucks. Diabetics can’t eat what they want all the time, neither can people with kidney disease. etc… Being chronically ill sucks and restricts your life in so many ways. But there it is.
And kids under the age of 12 just don’t have a choice of a vaccine right now. Which is terrible. Hopefully that changes soon.
And if cruiselines and the Bahamian government collaborated (or orchestrated – if that’s how you see it) to create what they felt would be safer regulations and requirements, well then good for them. They have businesses to run, want to reduce liabilities, don’t want outbreaks and so on. The Bahamas needs the tourist revenue but they don’t want to devastate their citizens, hospitals, clinics with a bunch of sick tourists.
If we really want to stop Covid’s death march we have no choice but to continue to mask in crowded situations and get people vaccinated not just here but all over the world. Otherwise soon Delta is going to be a cakewalk compared to the newer variants coming after that…
Hoping and praying it will go away hasn’t worked so far. Unfortunately neither have any of the interesting alternative therapies various people and news organizations have proposed. So we are stuck with the science and medicine of 2021.
May we all survive this to have a toast on Castaway Cay someday!
Good for Disney! Just another reason to love all things Disney.
Very interesting point
This was expected; When the Bahamas issued their mandate that ships could not dock unless everyone (passengers & crew) aboard (12 and over) were vaccinated, DCL had two choices: cancel or require vaccinations. I’m only surprised it took this long.
Personally, I support this. My wife and I are vaccinated, and I’ll feel more comfortable on my September 3 & 6 cruises knowing everyone else 12 and over aboard the Dream is also vaccinated.
I feel badly for the unvaccinated that they have so little notice that they are not going to be able to board – looks like, if you got the 2nd shot today, the first cruise you could do departs Sept. 10. But you had to see this coming, and it’s a consequence of the choices you made. DCL is being very liberal with cancellations and rescheduling.
But, for the foreseeable future – no shot, no cruise. I’m good with that.
Margot. I am scare to say it, but honestly you are right 100%. I am glad you said it. If I had said it, I would be called a nazi. Lol. I need not say anymore, because you spoke for many of us with a sound mind. You said enough already. Thanks.🙂
Simply excellent news!
I don’t see why Disney would cancel a single cruise due to low capacity. Disney still would need to pay the crew for that time, so the only savings would be on fuel and food. And the fuel savings would be mitigated by having to do something with the ship for 3/4 days.
I’ve long felt that the most expensive thing Disney can do is have these boats sitting around without any paying customers. There are still expenses that don’t go away if the cruise is cancelled.
@Margot….100% in agreement with you (and Walt). Our cruise is scheduled for next July (9-day Southern Caribbean on the Fantasy). We deliberately did this to give us a chance for our now 10-year old daughter is vaccinated. I do feel bad for those of you who have children who about to turn 12 and cannot be fully vaccinated prior to your cruise date. That does suck and I hope you are all treated fairly.
I think Florida’s hands are tied. They lost the Norwegian lawsuit for now, and now the Bahamas has the vaccination requirement.
Have any other Caribbean ports-of-call enacted similar vaccination requirements?
Thank you Walt. I too have been and am afraid. Honestly I do not want to offend anyone. But every thread everywhere regarding travel and Disney seems to turn into the same debate. And I am heartbroken at the people dying when it probably could have been prevented. And I am weary of this. I too want to be free of the mask!
I pray every day for guidance. What can I do to help? I can only speak. And encourage others to do the same. Even those who disagree. If we can’t talk to each other we are doomed. Please – let’s collaborate and figure out a way… to change minds, present evidence, talk through the concerns and issues that folks have, and just try to get past this whole mess so we can all come and go as we please and enjoy the freedoms we all expect.
God bless America and all our differences, but even more – our common humanity, our common goals: LIFE, liberty and pursuits…. Our deep profound respect for all human life and love for our fellow humans.
My guess is they would offer some heavy discounts to cast and FL residents before they cancelled. Any money is better than nothing. I said on a 5-night on the Wonder around 2014 or so for $1000 total for my now-husband and I, so they certainly could drop the prices down a bit if they needed to fill some spots on the boat if it came to that.
Per DCL email: Guests who are 11 and turning 12 before or during the sailing will not be permitted to sail as The Bahamas will require that all cruise ship passengers ages 12 and older be fully vaccinated to allow entry into any of its cruise ports.
@KMH That is very sad for people who booked these cruises a long time ago and have children who were looking forward to this trip. Personally I am vaccinated because I had to travel internationally last week but now with booster shots coming I wonder what fully vaccinated will mean. I can see this being a never ending process of shots every 8 months if you want to cruise. Currently I have 8 cruises booked and I am not sure what I will do if this is the case. Unfortunately some are concierge and I am afraid I would lose my money if I choose not to have the third shot. If the 8 month rule stands I would have to cancel all 8 cruises. Very sad not to cruise but I would want to do lots more research on long term effects before I commit to that.
This is wonderful news! I knew a few people were concerned about the lack of a vaccine requirement. I’m sure things will keep evolving but for now this feels right.
I think you could probably tell from all of these comments where each one of these people fall on this issue and that’s totally fine. However, let’s be careful when words like “many of us with a sound mind” or “it’s just common sense” . It implies that your opinion is the only one that counts. Maybe if there was a little more empathy on this topic and many that face us lately we would all be in the same boat… or ship in this case. Let’s all be better.
@Cathy, I will be praying for you as that is a big decision you are facing. We thought we had lots of cruises planned but your 8 beats our number. I am very thankful for all the cruises we have been blest with since DCL’s inaugural year. We are Floridians so it was easy for us to be cruisers on a variety of lines. I always kind of dreaded the question from fellow passengers, “Where are you from”. With all the recent criticism of Florida, I do not know how it would be now, but in the past there was always that response of “oh”. Not saying they was a bit of envy there but ………….. P. S. Keep researching.
@Jo.. Yes I will. lol I just like to have all the information available to me from many different sources before I commit. I am old enough to know that FDA approval really doesn’t mean lots. I have seen many FDA approved drugs and devices be pulled off the shelves as time goes by so the more research the better.
As far as Florida I don’t care what anyone says. I love our Governor and I honestly don’t think I could have survived this pandemic in any other state. Funny lots of criticism but that hasn’t stopped the thousands who visit daily and the even more that moved here during the pandemic. To each his own but I have lived here 11 years and I have loved every minute of it and you are right it is amazing to cruise and not have to fly in. Just a short drive to the port and no luggage limits lol My kind of vacation.
Quick note about boosters. As a child I lived in Istanbul. Every 6 months, without fail, I had to present my derriere to the nurse and get a gamma globulin shot (and it hurt) as protection from hepatitis. As much as I dreaded it, I also valued it. Turks in general at that time did not take the shot – “wisdom” at the time was since they lived there their whole lives, they were somewhat immune to things…. Unfortunately, I learned at an early age how wrong that was. My sister had an appendix removal operation. Her surgeon, a well off, educated doctor, in the medical field, didn’t take the shots. He contracted hepatitis. He died. There were also other vaccinations where we would get them every 2-3 years. Just part of living in that part of the world, Turkey, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia….
So I’m all for boosters! Just due to my life experience.
For whatever it might be worth.
The side effects of Covid are known. And they’re pretty bad. I guess time will tell regarding vaccines and other therapies. The sooner some people jump on it, I guess the sooner we will know.
Maybe Disney can have a heart about these new developments and do the right thing for folks in Cathy’s position. Don’t penalize people for struggling with such an important decision.
@Margot that’s a touching story. I agree there’s so much going on right now. We can just keep hoping for the best.
@Margot Thanks for your understanding. I am fine to cruise or not cruise depending on the rules and what I am willing to do. Not only are my husband and I fully vaccinated since May, we also contracted Covid in July fully vaccinated and masked so I am just leary at this point. 2 vaccines and covid and just want to read everything I can get my hands on. We are both still testing positive on our pcr tests since we had the infection July 1st which they say is normal but I wonder what that means as far as more shots right now. Time will tell and I am sure the right answer will come.
@PLI – we are on the same cruise next July – would love to meet up on that ship.
@Walt/Margot – agree with you both.
There are lots of opinions on both sides of this issue. At the end of the day, the government in the Bahamas has spoken and everyone will need to decide if they want to play by that governments rules or if they will spend their vacation dollar elsewhere. It’s a personal choice that each person/company has to make for what is best for them. No judgement either way. Agree to keep it civil. Happy cruising to all that sail.
I just want to say that I love you all even though I never met you. Cathy you and your family too. My family will keep all of you in our prayers and keep hoping that soon we get this virus under control so we can go back to doing the things we love, like cruising with the least restrictions as possible. We are still hoping to cruise next year. We will see. Have 2 reservations for the Fall of 2022.
I’m still waiting for the WHO, CDC, Fauci and media to explain how covid cases have exploded worldwide since the vaccine was introduced.
anyone who has an almost 12 year old, i’d suggest cancelling and rebooking for when your child meets the requirement. going to be way less of a headache for you then trying to circumvent the rules and ultimately not get what you want.
i’m sure they will keep facemasks. it’s called layered mitigation for a reason. it’s not only one thing, it’s multiple things working together that keep covid at bay.
i echo the thoughts many have said here- yay for the cruise lines, screw desantis. this makes things safer for everyone. and the bahamas has every right, whether you think it’s conspiracy or not, to protect their citizens and their country and their interests. anyone who is upset- do you really want to get deathly sick and your only option be a hospital in another country whose healthcare may not be what you’re used to, or have no option at all because said country’s hospitals are full? think about that.
Congrats. Now every time your immune system is challenged you will need to pay for boosters to stay alive. Your immune system has been turned into a subscription service.
I doubt it. There will still be unvaccinated children on board.
John –
I gather you don’t approve of this. Sorry to hear that. I will take a my best guess, based on what I understand at answering your concerns. The Covid virus continues because those that are unvaccinated and those that refuse to mask in crowds (because even the vaccinated can transmit though at a far lower rate), or take precautions, continue to be an incubator for the virus to evolve. Into something worse. In my simple mind I look at viruses and pathogens as living (which they are) beings that are out to kill as many humans (or animals) as possible. They are agents of evil and destruction. They want to conquer the world.
So any chance they get, they will mutate to become more deadly and at the very least make human bodies very very sick to weaken them….
The longer we stay unvaccinated, and unmasked, the longer they have to mutate.
It is only by overcoming them through vaccines and masking that we can win.
Which is why it is so critical that the rest of the world get vaccinated. Global economies mean global travel. We will never be able to stop what’s outside from coming inside.
But we haven’t even hit critical vaccine rates here in the US. So we are growing our own variants in Florida and Texas and other hotspots.
The flu strain mutates all the time too. That’s why the flu vaccine changes every year and its efficacy is sometimes not great.
As to vaccines and boosters to stay alive, YAY! Because we can see that without them more people get very sick and more people die. Immune systems can do only so much. They are overwhelmed by many diseases, viruses, bacterial infections. They can even turn on the body and be a problem themselves (see autoimmune diseases).
And that is where medicine and vaccinations come in.
People with severe allergies take shots sometimes, some of them weekly.
A medicine, insulin, helps diabetics stay alive.
People take medicines every day to fight heart disease, high blood pressure, and various ailments/diseases/conditions… And to stay alive.
I eat and drink water to stay alive.
I hope you stay well and can find it in your heart and mind to embrace this and share the message. If not, I wish you well anyway.
So the most vaccinated country on earth is seeing the biggest delta surge? It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what delta is. Vaccine sickness.
@Margot – I think a lot of the issues that folks have is with the mandates and requirements. None of those things you mention are required to get on a cruise (or any other mode of transportation for that matter) and are just as deadly, including the flu, meningitis, etc. Heck, even vaccinations aren’t required for air travel, rail, etc. I think a lot of what makes people question all of this is the inconsistency of the messaging.
@John.. I am starting to agree with you 100%.
Disney won’t cancel a sailing and if the vaccination rate for Disney is similar to Carnival for those who are eligible (Carnival had indicated that over 90% reported being vaccinated) there may be cancellations but not to the degree that some people might think.
As for the NCL ruling, it isn’t exclusive to NCL. That ruling impacts the industry as a whole.
Florida’s options are limited when it comes to challenging mandates put into effect by another country. Not allowing the cruise industry to check vaccination status for sailings to the Bahamas out of Florida would negatively impact an already hobbled industry. Florida really has nowhere to go on this.
There’s no cost for the vaccine or the boosters.
While I agree the information from the CDC is maddeningly inconsistent, I have to disagree that the flu, meningitis, etc… is just as deadly. Average number of flu deaths per year in US is 36000, over 600,000 have died from covid in the last 2 years. Covid is far more serious right now. Sure meningitis might be more serious if you get it, but its not widespread right now like Covid is. Its not necessarily how serious an individual infection is, its more about how much more widespread the infection is and how it is overwhelming our health care system. When is the last time you heard about millions of people getting the flu in one season? Statistics show that 90%+ all covid hospitalizations and deaths are coming from non-vaccinated people. That right there should be enough to convince people to get vaccinated so we can get on with our lives. Sorry if I sound preachy but I am just so sick and tired of this, especially since we have an easy way out of this… get vaccinated.
@Phil – I am vaccinated. I’m sick and tired of hearing from people like you as well. Of course covid is more serious. The point was inconsistent messaging. Why are some things not allowed, but others are? We allow huge concerts but not someone in a restaurant in NYC. The list goes on and on. Inconsistency. Flu kills 36000. Why aren’t we testing for it to board a cruise? Sounds pretty deadly to me, What’s the cutoff for you on deaths? Clearly you don’t care too much about 36000. What if it was 40, or 60, or more? How many millions get the flu and stay home, no reporting? This is why it’s all absurd even for those of us who “did our part” and are vaccinated.
@John I totally agree with you. I also am vaccinated and you are correct the messaging sucks. Also people who think the vaccine is a way out of anything are totally wrong and very naive. You can still get covid, you can still spread it and you can still die from it. I know because I got it and I also know 2 FULLY vaccinated people that died from it.
I wasn’t directing that sick and tired statement at you but since you threw it back at me, here goes… I”m sick and tired of people like you throwing around misinformation. Vaccine sickness??? Are you kidding me????? And with that I’m out of here. This argument is pointless.
@Phil.. wow just wow.. misinformation? Are you living under a rock? What was the misinformation? Spell it out for those of us who don’t know. The vaccine is not your savior, you can still get covid, you can still be hospitalized and you can still die. Those are facts. Some will be lucky.. some will not.. My husband and I were lucky. Our 2 friends were not. Not misinformation. Fact.
@CATHY – I saw earlier you ended up with covid, so sorry but glad you’re well now. There are a couple of John’s on here too, I see. I may have to start using something else.
I find it all pretty absurd, unfortunately. I wish that were not the case. I now see the CDC will recommend a booster after 6 months, not 8. Another change, of course. Pretty soon we’re going to find out that all of the original vaccines were worthless and we’ll all need a completely new one. The Bahamian govt is not so smart either. Somehow, an 11 year old unvaccinated child is OK to wander their country, but a 12 year old one can’t. Where’s the science in that? Does a 12 year old pass it on easier than an 11 year old? There are so many examples of this absurdity everywhere it would take a book to describe them all. Let’s get on with our lives. Covid is with us forever, it’s not going anywhere. Open up, get back to normal.
@Phil – you may not respond and that’s OK. All respect here on this forum even though we disagree. But the other John (not this John) was mentioning vaccine sickness and not quite sure what that was about. Maybe he was talking about some theories out there that the vaccine was causing possible mutations, etc. There is some research, but spotty for sure. Until I see real data about that, I tend to not put a lot of weight behind that. But to each his own, I guess. My worry is really about messaging and how the ‘science’ never seems to add up.= on the various restrictions, etc. I finally have to leave the Cruise Critic boards and stay here since they became toxic. Everyone here is mostly very respectful. Hope you stick around.
@John, I owe you an apology then. That was obviously a different John. 🙂
@Phil – No apologies needed. I need to switch to something else. As much as I respect the other John and his views, I too wish that those that want to place that stuff out there, back it up with links to articles, data or something. Otherwise, it just ends up with the same ‘science’ the Bahamian govt is using. Which is not much.
@John you are so right. There is no rhyme or reason to any of the rules. I did not hear that about the 6 months instead of 8. I have had the news on all day but I guess I missed it. At this point I am thinking I will see what Disney says in April. That is when my first cruise is. We cancelled our August and September ones. I really don’t seem me going along with an injection every 6 months to do anything. There comes a time when you really just have to do what is right for you and getting 2 covid shots a year is not good for me. I am a platinum cruiser and I will miss it if they enforce additional shots but until they get this right I will not take a third shot. Thankfully I live in Florida and no one will be making me get it to do anything other than cruising .Terrible about your children. That just doesn’t make sense other than they just need a cut off date. I had been thinking about this anyway because I don’t like the idea of spending thousands of dollars for a limited cruise and the masks all the while doesn’t sound like fun either.
@Cathy – just do a quick search on ‘6 month booster’ and you’ll see it everywhere. Just came out a few hours ago. And I get the need for cut off dates, but let’s not pretend ‘science’ is the reason. We all know it’s not. I feel like those in charge treat us like children. It’s annoying. My all time favorite was the Michigan law from Gov Whitmer that only allowed 3 people on a boat. A reporter asked about families of 4 who had quarantined together and were not sick and were not boating with other families…she had the nerve to say they had to swap, 2 could go out at a time and come back and swap. You can’t make this stuff up. This is why many people gave up and started doing whatever they wanted because they realized many of these rules were based on nothing at all. It’s maddening.
@John.. Oh yes little Gretchen Whitmer.. rules for thee but not for me or my husband.. lol What a jerk. I agree with you. The science is definitely not being followed. We know that just from the mask mandates. As I said before I am just happy I live in Florida and did not have to deal with any of this. We have bee living normal lives for over a year and thankfully there is lots to do here and I guess that is why so many moved here. I hope this gets all figured out before your cruise so your whole family can go.
@Cathy…glad you and your husband recovered and glad that you’re glad that you live in Florida.
https://news.yahoo.com/florida-is-the-only-state-where-more-people-are-dying-of-covid-now-than-ever-before-what-went-wrong-090001893.html
Thanks for noting this Brett. It doesn’t really matter which ‘side’ we’re on… we should all be kind to each other and be willing to consider opposing viewpoints. There’s very rarely one “correct” answer for any scenario. Listening to others is really what we should all aim for.
Why would I trust the vaccine or anything the CDC says? They have lied about intentionally concealing the findings from their own study on masks (they don’t work, btw), they lied about surface spread, about vaccine efficacy, barrier efficacy, mask efficacy, about case and death count, about natural infection and natural immunity, herd immunity and about “two weeks” to slow the spread. Again, I’d rather risk cold and/or flu symptoms over blood clots and heart inflammation cause by this vaccine. There are low cost, widely available and very low-to-zero risk treatments. I have multiple family members that are in various positions in the medical field and they all say the same thing. That I am not a candidate for this vaccine as I have a healthy and robust immune system reinforced with a daily multi-vitamin. Also, vaccine sickness is real. And medical professionals are being told not to report adverse effects from the vaccines. They are lying to you.
The comments here have really gone very off the rails. I would hope that Scott would monitor the comment section better. Way too much misinformation, disinformation and partisanship. Shameful.
@R why don’t you help us out and tell us what misinformation and disinformation is here.
@ John Aug 25 12:33pm comment
Actually looks like UK beats us hands down on delta? See
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/06/covid-charts-show-how-far-delta-variant-has-spread-around-the-world.html
Maybe I’m reading it wrong?
Many of the hot spots here are areas that have a large percentage of freedom loving folks who feel that it is an infringement on their freedom to mask? With governments that also block masking and vaccine efforts? And a whole region that sees it that way? Or it is all just random luck.
John – I don’t want to make you angry. I don’t want to argue. I appreciate you sharing your views because it helps me understand the fears and concerns of others. I just want to share my views to see if they help any. If not, so be it. I just don’t know what else to do. Sorry if I’ve offended you.